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Contents: Joly 16, 2005 - July 20, 2005

Silly edit war in Aetherometry

Eminent falsification by admin PJacobi:

Several (or one, who knows) anons insist on deleting this part of a sentence: Work in Aetherometry has not been published in peer-reviewed scientific publication. I've reported on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#Anonymous_contributor 4.x in Aetherometry but I'm not sure whether all IPs are one user. Also, as I'm party, I won't block or protect myself. -- Pjacobi 21:58, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Related campaing in Black hole, Neutrino, String theory. -- Pjacobi 22:17, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

and Hydrino theory Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:05, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Edits are coming from 4.232.6.35, 4.233.164.158, 4.233.124.110, 4.233.125.162, 4.233.179.72, 4.249.63.6, 4.249.18.15, 209.183.20.170, 209.29.96.236, 209.29.167.6, 216.254.159.249, 216.254.157.250. Does it make sense to assume a single user on all these IPs? Behaviour is similiar enough. -- 22:34, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

The lie of PJacobi and his cabal is a simple one: work in Aetherometry has just not been peer-reviewed in mainstream scientific publications. That bold is the focus of the dispute. And the second focus of the dispute is that the same work has been peer-reviewed in alternative or non-mainstream scientific publications (including Infinite Energy), as well as by peers with the proper qualifications that neither PJacobi or Theresa Knott have or have admitted to have, and these two facts have been systematically suppressed by these two admins and their cabal, with one playing tag after the other so that the 3RR rule appears not to be broken. The disingenuity of Knott and PJacobi, their self-victimized pleading in an entry that they kept only to deride it and classify it with pejorative terms, is merely a ploy to drag down the rest of Wikipedia with them. 216.254.165.65 04:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• Yes Pjacobi - There is indeed a silly edit war going on at aetherometry, actually a malicious edit war, being orchestrated by you, Salsb, William M. Connolley, Karada, Theresa knott, - and other members to arrive shortly, undoubtedly - as soon as you all reach your 3rs....It's common knowledge, you know, that you lot are operating as a tag team doing your malignant best to destroy any hope of converying information in this entry, or on any entry in the non-mainstream science category and to mutilate them until they fit nicely into your braindead, brainchild 'pseudophysics' category. You have not once entered a productive, intelligent addition to the page since its inception. Only disparaging, uninformed, ill-intentioned comments - unabashedly showing both your ignorance of the subject matter and your clear intent to smear it nonetheless. So you are getting legitimate opposition to your ugly little 'edit' aka smear war. But you never fight squarely and fairly, do you? No, instead, when you don't get your own bullying way, you go running hoping to find some admin cops to help you in your bully boy operation. Pretty ugly little club you got there. 4.233.121.247 23:06, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

You do know that the 3RR applies to people not IPs. By coming in from multiply IP addresses you are fooling nobody. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:08, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Is this how you present your evidence Theresa Knott? A list of IP's and presto, one person? And which person have you identified? Is everyone who disagrees with you and your cabal in various entries all clones of a fabled Paulo Correa, a Zorro of Wikipedia? You're ridiculous and delusional 216.254.165.65 04:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC).

• That's typical of Teresa. Don't address the issue which is malicious, POV editing (and is more than well documented in the aetherometry archives as well as in the edit history, as well as in the other non-mainstream entries). Just assume the beatitudinous attitude of a very neutral police officer jotting down license numbers. The lttle tag team charade with their authoritarian policial tactics isn't fooling anybody.

• • Note that the anon didn't deny using multiple IPs Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:55, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

. Edit wars are really dumb, and a colossal waste of time, energy, disk space, etc, etc, etc. Protected the page. Noel 00:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

• Anon, I'm sure they'd delete the sentence as you do if you can provide some evidence peer reviewed journals about this. - Mgm 14:40, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Aetherometry again

I've just done something controversial so I'd like you'all to review my actions. Having been unable to insert POV into the article, the anon or anons (it's difficult to tell. I suspect there ias only one person using multiple IPs editing style is difficult to fake) started vandalising the page. After a couple of blankings I said we'd protect the page to stop 'em. Then the page was blanked again and then it was restored by a helpful anon. I then vprotected the page. On checking the anon's contributions I noticed that the resoration of the page was his first edit. Sockpuppet radar on alert I checked the page and lo and behold it was a revert to an earlier version. Here is where you'all need to review my actions. I could have unlocked the page and reverted. (There has been tonnes of discussion on the talk page that he has not particlipated in) But that would leave the page open for vandalism. One page blanking lasted for over an hour (see history). So instead I edited the protected page and reveted to the preblanked page. I am 99% sure that both IPs are one and the same person. He is also writing nonsense on the talk page (see history because it's been deleted). I'm off to bed now. If you think I did the wrong thing. Feel free to unprotect. But if you do, please watch out for vandalism. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 00:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not part of the cabal quite yet, but it sounds to me like you followed the protection policy to the letter. Protecting the page to the POV version would have defeated the point of locking it, since the anon would have won; s/he wanted the POV in and was vandalizing because s/he didn't get it. Protecting on the NPOV version (or closest thing to it) was the right move -- Essjay 00:45, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

• Heck sure, I'll bite. It sure wasn't CONTRAVERSIAL (sic or, is that SICK?). And yes it's perfectly in line with the admin policy I've seen up until now. I don't see any cabal by the way Essjay, just the usual twisted antics of the same obnoxious little group of clowns -Theresa Knott, William M. Connolley, Anome, Natalinasmpf and co. You know the same droopy little group who have been trashing this page on an hourly basis since its inception. The ones who like to pretend they're on a noble mission to preserve the sanctity of mainstream science. The ones who don't know and don't want to know anything about the subject matter except how to find a way to smear it. The ones who act as official sockpuppets on all the serious non-mainstream science pages (see autodynamics, hydrino theory, etc.). The ones who tuck their tails between their legs and run when you confront them on facts - but are back the next day with a new set of slurs, lies and slander. Goebbels school of Information. The ones who plead on their webpages that they are 'notable' when their only notoriety is to be dicks. The ones who make sure that the pages are locked on a version of the page distorted by Theresa Knott, William M. Connolley, Anome, Natalinasmpf. The ones who cry they're being oppressed by the corporations and then proceed to try to discredit anyone conducting serious research outside of the mainstream system. The ones who pretend they are 'tidying up'. The ones who pretend the category PSEUDOSCIENCE is an NPOV description. The ones who always go running to other admins to say 'I did right didn't I? I followed wikipedia policy didn't I?' - after they've just pulled off another round of libelous slurs and suppression of information on the discussion pages. WELL IF THERE ARE ANY ADMINS LEFT IN HERE WITH ANY REMNANT OF COURAGE OR SELF RESPECT, WHICH I DOUBT, THEY SHOULD READ THE ARCHIVES OF THIS PAGE AND SUSPEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THESE ADMINS WITH RESPECT TO THIS ENTRY. 4.231.163.145 01:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

anon, Perhaps you'd get their attention faster if you used ALL BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS instead. And Theresa, relax. You did just fine. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 03:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• OK Thanks for the advice official 'Uninvited' ADMIN/ANON. Just about what I expected. Here it is:

* Heck sure, I'll bite. It sure wasn't CONTRAVERSIAL (sic or, is that SICK?). And yes it's perfectly in line with the admin policy I've seen up until now. I don't see any cabal by the way Essjay, just the usual twisted antics of the same obnoxious little group of clowns -Theresa Knott, William M. Connolley, Anome, Natalinasmpf and co. You know the same droopy little group who have been trashing this page on an hourly basis since its inception. The ones who like to pretend they're on a noble mission to preserve the sanctity of mainstream science. The ones who don't know and don't want to know anything about the subject matter except how to find a way to smear it. The ones who act as official sockpuppets on all the serious non-mainstream science pages (see autodynamics, hydrino theory, etc.). The ones who tuck their tails between their legs and run when you confront them on facts - but are back the next day with a new set of slurs, lies and slander. Goebbels school of Information. The ones who plead on their webpages that they are 'notable' when their only notoriety is to be dicks. The ones who make sure that the pages are locked on a version of the page distorted by Theresa Knott, William M. Connolley, Anome, Natalinasmpf. The ones who cry they're being oppressed by the corporations and then proceed to try to discredit anyone conducting serious research outside of the mainstream system. The ones who pretend they are 'tidying up'. The ones who pretend the category PSEUDOSCIENCE is an NPOV description. The ones who always go running to other admins to say 'I did right didn't I? I followed wikipedia policy didn't I?' - after they've just pulled off another round of libelous slurs and suppression of information on the discussion pages. WELL IF THERE ARE ANY ADMINS LEFT IN HERE WITH ANY REMNANT OF COURAGE OR SELF RESPECT, WHICH I DOUBT, THEY SHOULD READ THE ARCHIVES OF THIS PAGE AND SUSPEND THE PRIVILEGES OF THESE ADMINS WITH RESPECT TO THIS ENTRY. 4.231.163.145 01:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

And I second that: suspend administrator privileges on Aetherometry entry for the following: PJacobi, Theresa Knott, William Michael Connolley, Karada, Freddie Salisbury, the Anome and Mel Etitis. For repeated tag-team reversals, unfounded statements, abuse of power (deletion, suppression, alteration of records), denigration of participants, fraudulent presentation of facts, systematic harassment of participants. Similar activities on other entries on non-mainstream science. 216.254.165.65 05:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

(can we remove these spillings of anons-without-countenance? I mean who even reads text formatted like this?) dab

If you want some background on this, see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 11 for Category:Non-mainstream science. We had an anon(s) who argued against everyone who wanted to delete the category. Probably the same one(s) you're having problems with now. -- Kbdank71 13:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• Kbdank71 pretends innocence when s/he as an admin anon immediately switched to Pseudoscience four distinct realms of serious,scientific research - as soon as the Category Non-maintream Science was summarily abolished by the admin club. Now, s/he can helpfully refer any poor sod to a page that does not exist...such is the hypocrisy of administrators in charge of these entries. In any case, since admins don't read, only count license numbers, and pat each other on the back, the matter is simply a travesty. 64.48.73.132 02:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
  
  
  • Kdbank71's comment was intended primarily for the adminstrators reading this board. The CfD log does of course exist, and administrators can view the history of the deleted category itself. Is there a specific abuse of administrative power that you see? Like deleting an article in violation of the deletion policy or an unjustified block? If so, specific examples would be helpful. If you are simply upset with the behavior of a user or two, or would like comment about an article, filing an RfC would probably be more productive. It looks as though the concerns you have are not really administrator-specific—in fact, some of the users you mention are not administrators. Please realize that the way Wikipedia works is by consensus, and it is entirely appropriate for administrators or other users to seek feedback on their actions. Please also realize that when one person has a quarrel with most other users, while it may be that everyone else is wrong and the one is correct, there is a good chance that the reverse is true. And matters are not always right or wrong. For better or for worse, Wikipedia works by discussion and consensus—it's really the only system we have. In general, if you want to convince others to follow your way, you might achieve better results if you avoid the inflammatory remarks and the personal attacks. Finally, if administrators don't read, you are probably wasting your time posting remarks here, since we can't read them anyway. P.S. Theresa — I agree with your actions. — Knowledge Seeker 04:05, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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